Ginkus
Operator
To quote President Obama, “We won…”. God-willing this will change.
Conceal Carry Reciprocity
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Old_Me
SAINT
yeah, unless he had a "magblock", then most likely that particular magazine was still capable of holding more rounds...dumb on his part to "assume" he'd be good.
i guess if one is going to another state, then at the very least, as others have said, get to know the gun laws.
better to have had 10 round magazines on hand, for such an occasional trip....leave the larger caps mags at home.
Faulkner
Elite
That being the case his involvement is quite minimal.
Annihilator
Emissary
Trump Reaffirms Push for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity - The Truth About Guns
In a decisive message released this weekend, President-elect Donald Trump reaffirmed his commitment to protecting Second Amendment rights, announcing his intent to implement national concealed carry reciprocity once he takes office. This proposed legislation would require all 50 states to...
www.thetruthaboutguns.com
President-Elect Trump Promises National Concealed Carry Reciprocity
President-Elect Donald Trump reaffirmed his commitment to protecting the Second Amendment by announcing his push for national concealed carry reciprocity.
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The Night Rider
Professional
Trump did not announce National reciprocity. What he said (slightly amplified) was, (if the legislation made it to his desk) he would sign it.
As others have said I'll believe it when I see it and I'll believe that some of the more Blue States will abide by it when I see it.
As others have said I'll believe it when I see it and I'll believe that some of the more Blue States will abide by it when I see it.
Old_Me
SAINT
well, he's gonna have to push it to happen.Trump Reaffirms Push for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity - The Truth About Guns
In a decisive message released this weekend, President-elect Donald Trump reaffirmed his commitment to protecting Second Amendment rights, announcing his intent to implement national concealed carry reciprocity once he takes office. This proposed legislation would require all 50 states to...
President-Elect Trump Promises National Concealed Carry Reciprocity
President-Elect Donald Trump reaffirmed his commitment to protecting the Second Amendment by announcing his push for national concealed carry reciprocity.
i saw a video where the 3 guys up for Mitch McConnel's post are not exactly 2A friendly folk.
Bassbob
Emissary
Well Cornyn worked on the gun control bill they passed after Uvalde.
I think it'll be Rick Scott. I hope.
Yeah Thune and Cornyn need to stand down. They wouldn't be any better than McConnell. I think Rick Scott would be a great leader.
Old_Me
SAINT
its the "guns and gadgets" guy....
his video is new regarding those guys.
can't find it now.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Got to agree with you here, especially regarding not allowing POTUS to make law, except the 2nd Amd makes concealed carry and any other firearm issue in fact a federal issue. No state can circumvent a federal/constitutional issue without a constitutional amendment. Constitution always takes precedence to states rights, except where specified in the constitution to be different. I'm betting that's the tact he will entice congress to take. Only congress can make law, and that's the way it should be.
Nowhere does the 2nd state anything like: "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, except in certain various states. It simply says "shall not be infringed". period!
I'm suggesting that's the tact we responsible, law-abiding firearm owners should take as well.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Hans, we have to expect that if in fact a national recip law does go into effect as it should, it will be written as that ... a law that applies the same regardless of what state, unlike the mishmash there is today. It's crazy to expect anyone to learn a different set of standards across state lines on the very same topic.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Well, there ya' are!!! Easy/peasy!
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
This is exactly the reason that any recip Federal CC law would have to be the law. The same criteria (whatever congress decides) in every state.i just found this on an anti-gun site, do the "facts" they say seem to hold water..???
just asking........
Myth
Concealed carry permits should be treated just like driver’s licenses. A person licensed to drive in one state is allowed to drive in every other state, and a person legally allowed to carry a hidden, loaded handgun in one state should be allowed to do so in every other state.
Fact
There are major differences between driver’s license laws and concealed carry laws. Driver’s license applicants are required to meet core public safety standards with little variation among states, and states voluntarily recognize each other’s driver’s licenses as a result.
But concealed carry standards vary dramatically across the country—including on safety training, disqualifying violent criminal convictions, and even the requirement to get a permit at all. Concealed Carry Reciprocity would not create a national standard for who can carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.
Instead, it would force all states to accept every other state’s standards, including those states with weaker or no standards. Every state requires a driver’s license to drive a car, but several states don’t require a permit to carry a concealed handgun in public, and many states don’t require any safety training. Forcing every state to allow these individuals to carry concealed handguns would be like forcing states to let visitors drive on their highways without a driver’s license and without having passed an eye, written, or road test.
Block Concealed Carry Reciprocity | Everytown
Federal concealed carry reciprocity (CCR) legislation would gut state standards for who may carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.www.everytown.org
HansGruber
Ronin
Every state has their own traffic laws; eg, speed limits, right turn on red, using mobile devices, etc.
It’s on the driver to know the laws when they drive in that state.
Carry should be no different.
Bassbob
Emissary
One isn’t a constitutional right.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Hans, you've just made my point ... traffic laws on state hiways are state controlled. However, traffic laws on federal hiways are federal as are many other laws such as seat belts. And in fact some of the examples you gave are Federal rather than state. For example the 'Right turn on Red after Complete Stop' is a federal mandated statute from the early 90's iirc. I think I'm in agreement with you on the mobile devices ... certain ones anyway. However I don't believe every state currently bans cell phone use as there is no federal law against it, neither is there currently a federal law against all radar detectors.
My point was and is that in event of a federal law, the law must be the same across all 50 states.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Another issue that keeps popping up in my mind is how the current CC laws can and do affect your/our right to travel. I recognize it's our choice whether or not we carry into or across certain states while traveling, but my question is should we be forced to make that decision? Or better said, should we be required by any state law to decide to leave our self defense implement behind or modify it in order to travel freely according to that state?
On the issue of state regulated traffic laws all we have to do is choose whether or not to observe them while in that state, knowing that if we don't we'll face consequences, severity to be determined. But none of these are constitutionally guaranteed rights as is the 2nd Amd to 'keep and bear arms'. That Amd does not specify we can only carry in certain states. Certain states have made that choice and as of yet it has not been challenged.
I think we, society, have allowed ourselves to be caught up in this insanity. Once a federal law is passed, there will be some short time before it will hit the SCOTUS. That's where the rubber meets the road and the final outcome will be decided. My bet and hope is that it will be in support of the Constitution and the 2Amd.
HansGruber
Ronin
Travel is, in fact, a constitutional right; and if the 2A is flexible enough to apply to modern systems (TV, radio, internet, modern firearms), then it would apply to modern modes of travel as well.
HansGruber
Ronin
No, states preempt laws on federal highways; see: speed limits on interstates.
There is not one set speed limit on interstates; it can change at the state line according to different to different state laws.
HayesGreener
Ronin
A Great hue and cry went up when the wave of concealed weapons laws arose. "There will be blood running in the streets", they said.
When national reciprocity for current and retired LEO's was first proposed, many of the states objected saying they did not want armed LEO's from other states running around their states. I recall cases of serving officers being arrested for having their firearm in foreign states.
It wasn't until after 9/11 with George Bush's encouragement that we got LEOSA. It is House Reolution 218. Thinking of the time after 9/11 was that the more good guys with a gun, the better. It was the background checks, agency certification, and annual LE qualification requirements that made LEOSA acceptable for the states. (Some states still don't like it and see it as an intrusion). The qualification standard varies depending on the officer's state of residence. Even with LEOSA, the officer still needs to abide by local laws with respect to where you can carry, magazine capacity, etc.
I expect there will be a great hue and cry over national reciprocity proposals. For there to be any support for it there will have to be some standards. If the LEOSA model is followed to me that means you would need a license from your home state with some kind of background, training and qualification standard. That's basically how reciprocity works in the 38 states that have it. The fact that many states have no license requirements will complicate things. I cannot see the federal government getting involved in issuing licenses, but a federal law would set some standards for the state licenses.
The simplest solution would be national constitutional carry, but that won't fly because the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that states may regulate the carrying of firearms.
Instituting national reciprocity would require expenditure of some political capital. Timing is everything. We shall see how committed the administration and congress are to the idea.
When national reciprocity for current and retired LEO's was first proposed, many of the states objected saying they did not want armed LEO's from other states running around their states. I recall cases of serving officers being arrested for having their firearm in foreign states.
It wasn't until after 9/11 with George Bush's encouragement that we got LEOSA. It is House Reolution 218. Thinking of the time after 9/11 was that the more good guys with a gun, the better. It was the background checks, agency certification, and annual LE qualification requirements that made LEOSA acceptable for the states. (Some states still don't like it and see it as an intrusion). The qualification standard varies depending on the officer's state of residence. Even with LEOSA, the officer still needs to abide by local laws with respect to where you can carry, magazine capacity, etc.
I expect there will be a great hue and cry over national reciprocity proposals. For there to be any support for it there will have to be some standards. If the LEOSA model is followed to me that means you would need a license from your home state with some kind of background, training and qualification standard. That's basically how reciprocity works in the 38 states that have it. The fact that many states have no license requirements will complicate things. I cannot see the federal government getting involved in issuing licenses, but a federal law would set some standards for the state licenses.
The simplest solution would be national constitutional carry, but that won't fly because the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that states may regulate the carrying of firearms.
Instituting national reciprocity would require expenditure of some political capital. Timing is everything. We shall see how committed the administration and congress are to the idea.