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In a World of Compacts, Is it Bad my EDC is a Full Size?

KillerFord1977 said:
He may have me lately, but I always was faster šŸ™‚.. always
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I try to "Round out" my education as much as possible but I do find myself spending more time on things I like as opposed to things that are better for me. Shotguns for instance. Historically I go through ridiculous amounts of 12 gauge. Also historically any time I find myself in a sketchy situation there doesn't seem to be a F'ing 12 gauge anywhere around. I'm probably not the fastest or the most accurate with a pistol, but I seem to be pretty fast and combat accurate while I'm moving and the target is moving. Not sure why, but at least that's one thing I have going for me. That and supernatural situational awareness skills. Which I know exactly where that came from. :ROFLMAO:
 
belladonna said:
I can carry a 4 barrel, and I do in the winter. I'll carry a full sized 45 in the bush
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KillerFord1977 said:
Israel says otherwise.
Not advocating it, just pointing it out
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Unless memory failed this began when Israel with just getting started an had a wide variety of vastly different pistols in their supply chain, and was done to simplify training ( donā€™t bother with safety-carry ā€˜em all empty chamber). Whether this is still their policy or not I donā€™t know. I know I always carry one up the spout (typically 1911 style cocked and locked or DA). I am a firm believer on a safety on a pistol and train accordingly.
 
In my basic handgun course I stressed the safe and smooth 4-step draw and accurate shot placement.
You have to walk before you can run and safety is critical. Times will improve with repetition and developing the neuro muscular memory. If you perfect the form, speed will come and the draw becomes an automatic response. When you present the gun with no thought of the draw mechanics, when the gun is presented with no memory of how it got there, it is baked in.

In my intermediate course, I set 3 seconds as the standard for draw and fire from concealment. Many can do it much faster, some struggle with the 3 second time limit. I believe everyone should have a realistic understanding of their capabilities and limitations. Combat reloads require practice as well. "Draw in a hurry, take time to be sure you hit, reload in a hurry." As Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry"
 
HayesGreener said:
In my basic handgun course I stressed the safe and smooth 4-step draw and accurate shot placement.
You have to walk before you can run and safety is critical. Times will improve with repetition and developing the neuro muscular memory. If you perfect the form, speed will come and the draw becomes an automatic response. When you present the gun with no thought of the draw mechanics, when the gun is presented with no memory of how it got there, it is baked in.

In my intermediate course, I set 3 seconds as the standard for draw and fire from concealment. Many can do it much faster, some struggle with the 3 second time limit. I believe everyone should have a realistic understanding of their capabilities and limitations. Combat reloads require practice as well. "Draw in a hurry, take time to be sure you hit, reload in a hurry." As Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry"
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The people who benefit the most from super fast, super accurate draw times are mostly competition shooters. In reality the majority of us are never going to experience any tangible benefits from a sub par 1 second draw. There's nothing wrong with putting in the work to acquire and maintain that ability though.
 
Itā€™s important to be able to get your handgun in action -quickly. Iā€™ve seen lots of folks who break out their ā€œwinter gunā€ ( much bigger and heavier than their summer gun) because they can ā€œhide it under a heavy coat. Thatā€™s true, BUT if that coat is zipped up and your buried under heavy layers and wearing gloves that DesertEagle youā€™ve concealed isnā€™t going to do ya a whole lot of good when you need it NOW. An old fashioned hammer less J frame in a coat pocket with your ungloved hand is a Lot better option. Carry whatever YOU can conceal AND access quickly in a hurry. That NAA mini in your paw beats the .44 Desert Eagle you canā€™t get to every single time.
 
Shibadog said:
Itā€™s important to be able to get your handgun in action -quickly. Iā€™ve seen lots of folks who break out their ā€œwinter gunā€ ( much bigger and heavier than their summer gun) because they can ā€œhide it under a heavy coat. Thatā€™s true, BUT if that coat is zipped up and your buried under heavy layers and wearing gloves that DesertEagle youā€™ve concealed isnā€™t going to do ya a whole lot of good when you need it NOW. An old fashioned hammer less J frame in a coat pocket with your ungloved hand is a Lot better option. Carry whatever YOU can conceal AND access quickly in a hurry. That NAA mini in your paw beats the .44 Desert Eagle you canā€™t get to every single time.
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Valid point, however I don't personally know anyone who carries a gun they can't access quickly. But then I don't really know people who carry that don't train. I mean I'm sure I do, but it's not like we talk about it or it ever comes up in conversation.

My "Winter carry" this year has been the same as my summer carry. Simply because the way I carry now is "The Way". It took awhile for me to figure it out. I used to carry compact autos at 3:30 in a Mini Tuck IWB. That set up doesn't really work with a couple layers of clothes over it so in the winter I would ( and sometimes still do) carry a fullsize auto at 3:30 in an OWB Muddy River holster. Which is a pretty effective and comfortable option. This year I found myself carrying a Masada S or VP9SK AIWB all year.
 
Bassbob said:
Valid point, however I don't personally know anyone who carries a gun they can't access quickly. But then I don't really know people who carry that don't train. I mean I'm sure I do, but it's not like we talk about it or it ever comes up in conversation.

My "Winter carry" this year has been the same as my summer carry. Simply because the way I carry now is "The Way". It took awhile for me to figure it out. I used to carry compact autos at 3:30 in a Mini Tuck IWB. That set up doesn't really work with a couple layers of clothes over it so in the winter I would ( and sometimes still do) carry a fullsize auto at 3:30 in an OWB Muddy River holster. Which is a pretty effective and comfortable option. This year I found myself carrying a Masada S or VP9SK AIWB all year.
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Thatā€™s whatā€™s important. If it works for YOU thatā€™s all that matters-and what works for you or me may not work at all for ā€œcharleyā€. Iā€™m comfortable I can deploy my handgun as needed. And Iā€™ve practiced enough to know I can reliably place round on target fairly quickly. I do know folks who donā€™t practice regularly-and as we all know shooting skills are perishable-use it or lose it.
 
HayesGreener said:
In my basic handgun course I stressed the safe and smooth 4-step draw and accurate shot placement.
You have to walk before you can run and safety is critical. Times will improve with repetition and developing the neuro muscular memory. If you perfect the form, speed will come and the draw becomes an automatic response. When you present the gun with no thought of the draw mechanics, when the gun is presented with no memory of how it got there, it is baked in.

In my intermediate course, I set 3 seconds as the standard for draw and fire from concealment. Many can do it much faster, some struggle with the 3 second time limit. I believe everyone should have a realistic understanding of their capabilities and limitations. Combat reloads require practice as well. "Draw in a hurry, take time to be sure you hit, reload in a hurry." As Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry"
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Bassbob said:
The people who benefit the most from super fast, super accurate draw times are mostly competition shooters. In reality the majority of us are never going to experience any tangible benefits from a sub par 1 second draw. There's nothing wrong with putting in the work to acquire and maintain that ability though.
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I dont shoot competitive.
The draw and having instructor course work is my way of fun. Way to be competitive with myself and offer a challenge. Shooting is a very avid hobby of mine. Having someone like @SimonRL around keeps me honed and challenged as the bar is set high.
Speed takes awhile. Not everyone wants that challenge or maybe doesnt need it. I like it.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
I dont shoot competitive.
The draw and having instructor course work is my way of fun. Way to be competitive with myself and offer a challenge. Shooting is a very avid hobby of mine. Having someone like @SimonRL around keeps me honed and challenged as the bar is set high.
Speed takes awhile. Not everyone wants that challenge or maybe doesnt need it. I like it.
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I wasn't referring to you. I take classes for the same reason. It's fun and I enjoy it. My point was self evident in the post so I won't elaborate here.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
I dont shoot competitive.
The draw and having instructor course work is my way of fun. Way to be competitive with myself and offer a challenge. Shooting is a very avid hobby of mine. Having someone like @SimonRL around keeps me honed and challenged as the bar is set high.
Speed takes awhile. Not everyone wants that challenge or maybe doesnt need it. I like it.
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You sure do shoot competitive. You donā€™t shoot competition. Youā€™re all like f- yeah .87 draw. Iā€™m all I shot a smiley face. šŸ˜Š
 
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