Shotguns VS. PCCs for home defense

[HansGruber]

Home invasion is not a crime perpetrated by smart mentally competent individuals. It's a high risk, low reward act. Much easier and safer to knock over a bank. They'll give up the cash readily and won't try to shoot you. As long as you have a solid escape plan, maybe using an easily stolen Kia, you stand a good chance of avoiding apprehension.
Deterrence is always better than having to actively repond and the best deterrence is probably some motion activated outdoor lighting and a large dog with a convincing bark. The dog will hear the perps long before they'd awaken you and the barking of the dog will alert you to the need to dial 911 at once as well as to prepare to resist as needed.
That said, I personally favor a twelve gauge for household defense. Lots of kick, but easy to hit a target with at least a part of the pattern and you won't have rounds penetrating through walls and maybe hitting someone in your family or the neighbor's house.

Right; a couple of myths being repeated, here:

First, pattern; at typical in the house distances—30 feet at the high end—your pattern isn’t going to be very big; maybe the size of the palm of your hand, smaller with some shot (see the pics earlier in this thread of the Federal Flight Control making one big hole in the target)…but it’s not going to be a huge pattern. It’ll be plenty easy to miss the target entirely.

Second: if you’re using a load that’s going to be effective at getting a rapid stop—that is, buckshot—it’s going to go through walls, plural. In fact, 00 buck has been shown to go through just as many walls as a 9mm FMJ. So, Rule 4 still applies—it ALWAYS applies.

 

[Sld1959]

These and the old make the bad guys crap thier drawers by racking the shotgun are always believed for some reason.

 

[Talyn]

good q - oddly enough some actually want to hang around and shoot it out, while many flee. A lot of millionaires live within 20 miles here and very few folks without firearms. Sometime they take the art dealers or custom car collectors hostage. If the leos show up - it's party time. The typical autos are performance autos, tricked out lifted trucks, the best of the european stuff, lambos, porsches, ferraris, bmw benz and on and on.

IMO the Central/South American gangs will be much more aggressive than the usual inner city types.

They are used to being that way in their countries, and have initiation rites that promote aggressive and brutal encounters.

 

[Talyn]

I keep lusting after one of these, with some enhancements.

CZ Scorpion 3+

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Gun Review: CZ Scorpion 3+

Regardless of what platform you prefer for home defense, most agree that the choice must be nimble, have sufficient capacity, be easy to secure and be effective beyond contact distances. This has each of these in spades.

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New CZ-USA Scorpion 3+ Carbine Upgraded PCC - Firearms News

Czech out the all-new CZ-USA Scorpion 3+ Carbine. It boasts some major upgrades from the EVO design including an improved grip, handguard and ambidextrous controls.

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[Talyn]

SCORPION 3+ Landing Page - CZ-USA

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Scorpion 3+ Carbine - CZ-USA

First released to the US public in pistol form – the new Scorpion 3+ Carbine has been developed based on consumer feedback and military and law enforcement personnel. This rifle rounds out the popular Scorpion 3+ semi-automatic firearm platform and utilizes the iconic Scorpion EVO folding stock...

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[3L120]

I have a M-1 carbine handy, loaded with HPs or SPs. Light, trusty and effective, and I can mount a bayonet! OK, the last was sarcasm.

 

[Belt Fed]

I keep lusting after one of these, with some enhancements.

CZ Scorpion 3+
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An Official Journal Of The NRA | Gun Review: CZ Scorpion 3+

Regardless of what platform you prefer for home defense, most agree that the choice must be nimble, have sufficient capacity, be easy to secure and be effective beyond contact distances. This has each of these in spades.

www.americas1stfreedom.org

New CZ-USA Scorpion 3+ Carbine Upgraded PCC - Firearms News

Czech out the all-new CZ-USA Scorpion 3+ Carbine. It boasts some major upgrades from the EVO design including an improved grip, handguard and ambidextrous controls.

www.firearmsnews.com

You and me both, none on the shelves around here though.

 

[SL66]

Please do not tell my Savage 12g model 320 18" barrel, $170.00 new in box, that it is sub par. Same results, rock solid performer.

 

[Bassbob]

Please do not tell my Savage 12g model 320 18" barrel, $170.00 new in box, that it is sub par. Same results, rock solid performer.

Weeeellll.

 

[SL66]

Weeeellll.

Loved that last time I saw it, does the round know what fired it?

 

[Bassbob]

Loved that last time I saw it, does the round know what fired it?

What about this Italian one then ?

 

[Bassbob]

Or the Israeli job.

 

[Bassbob]

I'm just messin' wit ya bro.

 

[SL66]

Very nice indeed, the right tool for the job for sure

 

[Bassbob]

Very nice indeed, the right tool for the job for sure

If Red Green taught us anything, it's that any tool can be the right tool.

 

[Bassbob]

Is that the Savage or the Savage Stevens 320 ?

 

[SL66]

If Red Green taught us anything, it's that any tool can be the right tool.

Amen brother (all talk of pencils aside), when faced with adversity, one should make use of all available utilities to achieve the desired result.

 

[SL66]

Is that the Savage or the Savage Stevens 320 ?

Stevens

 

[Bassbob]

Stevens

Nice shotgun and good price.

 

[SL66]

Love the A300 Ultima, but I read that the magazine support is prone to loosening, opinion?