Consealed VS Open Carry & Constitutional Carry
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Old_Me
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rcurtner
Professional
I was a tank commander in South Vietnam, came home in 1969.
Old_Me
SAINT
ok thanks..i tried looking that up, and i was getting Air tankers, fire truck tankers, a chinese tank, etc.
The Night Rider
Professional
What do the first three mean words mean?
The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
Pp. 2–53.(a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
HayesGreener
Ronin
When Gov DeSantis signed the constitutional carry bill into law I was pleased on one hand and apprehensive on the other, as there is no training requirement. As a long time instructor I am mostly concerned about safety and knowledge of the law. I have to take it on faith that mosy folks will be responsible. I guess we will see.
Bassbob
Emissary
But there is a very important distinction in that compound sentence. There is no implication in it that "Well regulated" should be a stipulation of you exercising your rights. Though I totally applaud your correct usage of the phrase well regulated.
Bassbob
Emissary
When you can point to statistical, impirical evidence that it's a problem I might understand your irrational fear of it. The fact is the guys out there who you need to be worried about having guns don't give a crap about constitutional carry or any gun laws. And every state that has constitutional carry ( over half now) at this point there would be evidence of your fear being legitimate.
And I'll say it again. The class we all took to get our original carry permit BEFORE constitutional carry was a joke. And no one left that class any better off than they were before they got there. Every bit of what you learn in that class can be gleaned with a 5 minute reading of your state's gun laws, which are available on the internet.
Bassbob
Emissary
My guess is almost 100% of them will be far more responsible than the hood rats they are trying to defend themselves against.
TidalWave
Professional
My state has the same setup that you’ve stated above (I’m down south, btw).
I have seen “civilian” open carriers in my time - however VERY infrequently, and NONE since or during Covid. Just doesn’t seem to be a hot thing here…
Likewise, I don’t see a lot of serious interest in adopting constitutional carry. We’ve had CC permits since the mid-1990s.
Long guns, naturally, are all over our state and always have been…
rcurtner
Professional
No I don't think there should be a mandatory training law unless you're applying for a license to carry permit issued by the state. Don't you think people carrying firearms should have the knowledge to understand what constitutes use of deadly force? I like to think most folks already know if and when they decide to use such force they realize the potential for criminal or civil liabilities and ignorance is not a defense. Criminals don't observe our laws and norms. I posted comments earlier referring to how broken our justice system is. Even more sad, I don't see it getting better in the future. Being a cop in the 70's was day and night different than today. I love America very much but we are in decline.
SimonRL
Hellcat
There’s plenty of things you can label me as, but irrational would be the last thing on my list. I know enough about people and what complete idiots they can be. I’m sure we all agree that everyone on the road is a complete jackwagon, except for themselves. How is this a special case? I’m
not giving them a pass because they enjoy living the 2A life. Owning a gun doesn’t mean one is no longer a douche nozzle
The Night Rider
Professional
This is my opinion somewhat based on my experience.
When I worked for G4S I had to take a week long mandatory training class before they let me loose in the city with a gun.
The class consisted of the NRA's basic handgun safety course. That alone is enough to meet the training requirement for a concealed handgun permit in Colorado.
We also have training outside of that curriculum dealing with use of force laws and "The Use of Force Continum"
We also had OC spray training and handcuff training which are irrelevant to getting a concealed handgun permit.
Then we had to go and do the same qualification as CSPD has to do except there's a portion of theirs that deals with a rifle and shooting around a car.
Within a year, half of the people that I went through that class with had been terminated for improperly using their firearms at work.
In my opinion the kind of people that would benefit from mandatory firearms training will seek out training on their own.
The kind that won't benefit from it (The people that all the people that want a training requirement are worried about) will ignore most of the class. They'll retain just enough to pass the test at the end and brain dump it as soon as they get the certificate.
When I worked for G4S I had to take a week long mandatory training class before they let me loose in the city with a gun.
The class consisted of the NRA's basic handgun safety course. That alone is enough to meet the training requirement for a concealed handgun permit in Colorado.
We also have training outside of that curriculum dealing with use of force laws and "The Use of Force Continum"
We also had OC spray training and handcuff training which are irrelevant to getting a concealed handgun permit.
Then we had to go and do the same qualification as CSPD has to do except there's a portion of theirs that deals with a rifle and shooting around a car.
Within a year, half of the people that I went through that class with had been terminated for improperly using their firearms at work.
In my opinion the kind of people that would benefit from mandatory firearms training will seek out training on their own.
The kind that won't benefit from it (The people that all the people that want a training requirement are worried about) will ignore most of the class. They'll retain just enough to pass the test at the end and brain dump it as soon as they get the certificate.
The Night Rider
Professional
Do you not understand that you're not supposed to have to apply for a license to exercise a Civil Liberty?
Don't you think that people who are allowed to vote should have a basic understanding of the Constitution? Do you think we should reinstitute civics class (I mean I think we should but that's a different topic) and only allow people that pass it at a certain level to vote? I mean far more harm has been done to our constitutional republic in the voting booth then has been done by law abiding citizens carrying handguns
Then why do they need a class or permission slip?
What does that have to do with me?
What does that have to do with my ability to exercise my second amendment rights?
You still haven't answered my previous question,
What other constitutionally protected civil liberties would you attach a training requirement to?
Please be specific
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The Night Rider
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The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.
Robert Heinlien