Consealed VS Open Carry & Constitutional Carry
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Bassbob
Emissary
Yeah I agree. It's why we make a point to not be that guy right. Nevertheless I fail to see how it rises to a "Dangerous problem". It's dangerous for the dumbass who thinks just having a gun makes him safer for sure, but.. I, and I suspect most of us here, go out of our way to correct that misconception as often as possible. I take people to the range all the time and try to impart any knowledge I posses on them. We are ambassadors of our community, yes ?
Bassbob
Emissary
In a semi-related story ( I swear I'll try to be brief), I spent several hours this morning on the range with a young couple ( one of my friend's son and his wife) who are pretty inexperienced with firearms. His dad thought it would be good for me to take them to the range. His dad was right. I am also going to the range tomorrow morning and giving a friend from my work some CC and marksmanship training. Passing on what someone taught me. I think it is the responsible thing to do.
rcurtner
Professional
I try to to the range at least once a week. The 35 mile drive is a pain in the ass. Unfortunately most of my friends are as old (76) or older than I am. I have one friend that goes with me every week, loves to shoot but could care less about about what if training. I'll keep trying but I'm afraid he's a lost cause. I think I've said it before, shooting and mindsets are very perishable. Good training is the only way to keep somewhat sharp.
bc22wm
Custom
Sorry but the old adage "Everything before BUT is B.S.". No offence intended. I am much more concerned by a fully licensed driver with their attention firmly glued to their phone than I am about a law-abiding citizen exercising his/her right to constitutional carry.
Open carry is not very common here except in Nov. Hunters carrying their 38s & 9mm for self-defense and a 308, 30-06, etc. for deer
Bassbob
Emissary
I'm lucky. My club is 8 miles away. Currently I am on vacation and I plan on being on the range pretty much every day until I go back to work.
rcurtner
Professional
I have one daughter that could care less about anything gun. Her husband is thankfully different. They live in Austin and we don't get to see them that often. A couple of years ago their neighbor had a home invasion. The husband was shot in the shoulder, his wife beaten and raped. My daughter out of the blue asked to find a handgun for them. My son-in-law had never fired any kind of weapon. Took him to the range with a Glock 22, 40S&W. Went through grip, sight picture, trigger control and recoil management. Poor guy simply could not shoot and I don't see them often enough to follow up with more training. I suggested he get some formal training from local trainer. He kept putting it off. I got them a Rem 870 18'5" 12 ga shotgun. Sorry for the long story.
rcurtner
Professional
Have a good time. I'll be back on my range Monday morning
Bassbob
Emissary
Nice. Have a blast brother.
Bassbob
Emissary
I think you did the best you could do there with the shotgun.
Austin is pretty bad these days from what I hear. I hate to hear that about your daughter's neighbors. People think it will never happen to them.
That is a serious concern and, something I think about often.
Annihilator
Emissary
I’m staying out of the constitution carry discussion, I was wrong in a previous discussion, but in Ohio there is open carry, personally I think it’s dangerous
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Relative to those words in the 2nd amendment, "A well regulated militia", what is your/our understanding as to what they mean relative to that amendment? It's pretty much understood they are part of a 'prefatory' clause by inclusion in the 2nd, based on our 'American English grammar', but what is their meaning to the amendment? jj
Bassbob
Emissary
It is a justification of the action clause " The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
You give the average Joe/Jane too much credit. You’d be surprised how ignorance in self defense laws most have.
My state does not require training however I do run training courses for those that want to learn a little bit. I spend a lot of time dispelling bad information like warning shots, shooting someone running away stealing hubcaps etc.
the problem with states that require training that training is state mandated and fills a feel better box. Most state accepted instructors are simple NRA pistol which is a joke and here is a mandated class for carrying a handgun but many states don’t allow drawing from the holster as part of the course…it don’t make no sense (sling blade voice)
Everyone passes a state mandated drivers test and even drives every day yet look at any street in the IS. Horrible drivers everywhere. People have to WANT to do it right!
Getting people to realize they are doing themselves a favor by going to a private sector class by a vetted instructor (Range Master Certified or one of the national known valid courses)
The other issue is while I get a permit or CC or whatever is heard around a handgun people are failing and everyone here as it seems they are all I. With 100% guns and there is often no mention of avoidance (don’t go to stupid places at stupid times where stupid people are) and any less lethal options 90% of most use of force actions deadly force isn’t “reasonable force (that’s how most state statutes are worded) and a bad shoot with pepper spray is a $500 fine and misdemeanor at most!
And as far as crime in the 70’s and now. Darryl Bolke did a great lecture on it. Crime was actually off the hook in the 69’s and 70’s in your large cities like NYC, LA etc many times more than today. While crime isn’t low now by any means look at the numbers from the 60’s and 70’s significantly higher and the population was somewhat lower.
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Bassbob
Emissary
And the concentration of guns in private hands is significantly higher now.
I will say the no bail communities and the Covid releasing prosecutors did spike it some more later.
The rate of any crime increases (which population goes up your crime will go up) has been nowhere near the medias fear with the increase gun sales since Covid.
As far as crime I posted this on another thread.
Some will disagree but if you really want to curtail it. Once anyone else is released from prison and off court ordered supervision they should get all of their rights back. 2A, voting etc. now if they are in prison for intentionally hurting a human being they are doing life, they have a sex crime they are in for life etc.
Others that are release that whole progressive discipline they mess up again they are back in for life.
If someone is so dangerous they shouldn’t be allowed to own a firearm or vote they probably shouldn’t be allowed to walk around (we saw that with the slight up spike with the no bail stuff
I’ll give you that.
That would prettt much clean some stuff up and take away resources from chasing folks on silly “Sid he touch a gun and he was OMG prohibited”
But it won’t happen because the Courts and Sheriffs/Sheriffs Department live the $$$ flow from court ordered supervision and sex offender registry mandated participants!!!
And the media and politicians love this stuff it’s how they retain power!
rcurtner
Professional
In the late 90's I was chief photographer for my local newspaper. I requested to cover a class at Thunder Ranch. To my surprise they approved. I enjoyed the heck out of that assignment. I was really impressed with Clint Smith, owner of the ranch. Two weeks later went back as a student in a defensive pistol class. The class was great, especially the shoot house. There are quite a few excellent places to train today but I bet they're pretty expensive.