TidalWave
Professional
What the heck ?!?
Looks like the Bat Gun or sumthin…
Me, about to take on the 2am intruder: “Uh, before we get started….you got any idea how all this stuff works??”
The Ultimate Nightstand Gun?
- Thread starter Annihilator
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Looks like the Bat Gun or sumthin…
Me, about to take on the 2am intruder: “Uh, before we get started….you got any idea how all this stuff works??”
Bassbob
Emissary
Kentucky has nice gun laws. On my way to Tennessee I sneak through the little 1 mile corner of Illinois real fast across the Mississippi, then immediately across the Ohio and I feel safe again. For that one mile I am not comfortable. It's like being in Soviet Russia.
The Night Rider
Professional
That's my first Nightstand gun. Good luck with that "kicking in my door" thing.
I keep my Glock26 on my dresser. I have to stand up and take a step to get to it. By then I should be awake enough to handle a Glock.
As for clearing the house my wife and I live alone. All of our children are grown and gone. I have zero intention of clearing my house. I'm going to defend the bedroom and let my wife call the cops
Bassbob
Emissary
That's a nifty little device.
Annihilator
Emissary
That’s what she said!!!
The Night Rider
Professional
It's called The Jammer. It's actually intended to use to bar the door of a school classroom.
Having to travel to Illinois over the last several years I spoke with the State Police concerning my legal possession of firearms. I was told being licensed in my state (TX) i could legally carry my firearm in my vehicle or near my vehicle (tire change) and was not required to produce my license if stopped. I was legal in a hotel room but not the hotel and legal while at my mom's house. While the clarity helped my understanding like you I was never fully comfortable. However I would have still acted as I thought necessary to protect life the material items I will leave for the insurance.
Bassbob
Emissary
I will drive far out of my way to go around Illinois. I grew up and still live within an hour of the Illinois/ Missouri border. I know southern Illinoisans are a lot like Missourians, I don’t understand why they don’t just move across the river.
HayesGreener
Ronin
Most of you here are well versed in the laws governing self-defense, but you may have the opportunity to inform others who are less knowledgeable. As an instructor for many years, I have encountered many misconceptions about the legal justifications for the use of force. A number of my students would have wound up in jail had they followed the word of mouth and urban legend they had heard. My God, if you are going to carry a gun, or you are going to use one for home defense, know the law. I mean print out your state statutes on the subject and study the language, and even better attend a class from a knowledgeable instructor. I say knowledgeable because there are a lot of well-meaning folks with instructor certificates who know not of what they speak.
Laws vary widely from state to state. In general, the fear of imminent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others is legal justification for the use of deadly force, wherever you are standing and regardless of weapons involved. Every situation is different, but justification in almost all use of force cases comes down to the reasonable man standard. That is, within the bounds of the law, what would a reasonable man believe is reasonable and necessary under the circumstances. Different states have different wording in the statutes, but this is pretty much a universal concept in the U.S. If you use deadly force, you may need to show evidence that you were in such fear.
Another justification for deadly force can be to stop the imminent commission of a forcible felony, but there is a wide disparity among states on this issue, you must know the law where you live.
Stand Your Ground is another concept, which simply says you do not have a duty to retreat from a place where you legally are, before using deadly force. The media has overused and misused the term so much that there is confusion about what it means. Not all states have a "stand your ground" provision in their statutes, and you need to be aware of what the statute clearly states.
The Castle Doctrine concept is often misunderstood to mean something that it does not. It does NOT mean that you have carte blanche to shoot someone who breaks into your dwelling or occupied vehicle. In some states deadly force is justified if someone is committing a felony against you in your home but there is a lot of room for interpretation. A more meaningful justification is that you are PRESUMED to be in fear of death or great bodily harm if someone forcibly enters your home or occupied vehicle, where you may not have that presumption if you are not at home or in your occupied vehicle. The difference seems subtle but here are two statements that are illustrative.
1. "The SOB made me mad when he broke into my house"
2. "The SOB put me in fear of death or great bodily harm when he broke into my door".
Depending upon which state you are in, statement #1 could cause you problems. Again, you must know the law where you live.
This post is written in general terms and is not necessarily definitive to your state. I am not an attorney. I can get really definitive about the law in Florida but that is my area of expertise. Did I mention read the statutes where you live?
Laws vary widely from state to state. In general, the fear of imminent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others is legal justification for the use of deadly force, wherever you are standing and regardless of weapons involved. Every situation is different, but justification in almost all use of force cases comes down to the reasonable man standard. That is, within the bounds of the law, what would a reasonable man believe is reasonable and necessary under the circumstances. Different states have different wording in the statutes, but this is pretty much a universal concept in the U.S. If you use deadly force, you may need to show evidence that you were in such fear.
Another justification for deadly force can be to stop the imminent commission of a forcible felony, but there is a wide disparity among states on this issue, you must know the law where you live.
Stand Your Ground is another concept, which simply says you do not have a duty to retreat from a place where you legally are, before using deadly force. The media has overused and misused the term so much that there is confusion about what it means. Not all states have a "stand your ground" provision in their statutes, and you need to be aware of what the statute clearly states.
The Castle Doctrine concept is often misunderstood to mean something that it does not. It does NOT mean that you have carte blanche to shoot someone who breaks into your dwelling or occupied vehicle. In some states deadly force is justified if someone is committing a felony against you in your home but there is a lot of room for interpretation. A more meaningful justification is that you are PRESUMED to be in fear of death or great bodily harm if someone forcibly enters your home or occupied vehicle, where you may not have that presumption if you are not at home or in your occupied vehicle. The difference seems subtle but here are two statements that are illustrative.
1. "The SOB made me mad when he broke into my house"
2. "The SOB put me in fear of death or great bodily harm when he broke into my door".
Depending upon which state you are in, statement #1 could cause you problems. Again, you must know the law where you live.
This post is written in general terms and is not necessarily definitive to your state. I am not an attorney. I can get really definitive about the law in Florida but that is my area of expertise. Did I mention read the statutes where you live?
HayesGreener
Ronin
Last I checked Illinois had no reciprocity for concealed carry with any other states.
HayesGreener
Ronin
I really like these things. I think anyone traveling should have a portable one for hotel rooms.
You are correct. So that is the odd thing because I mentioned the lack of reciprocity. As it was explained by District 13, I can't carry with the same governance as I can in Texas but being licensed in Tx gives me certain allowances (the car for example). I can't freely carry in Illinois as if in Tx was how it was explained to me. Bassbob I will also agree with So. Ill being much different than other parts of the state with the agriculture regions of N. Ill being similar to So. Ill but without the accent
HayesGreener
Ronin
Illinois is two different states. There is Chicagoland, and then there is everything else south of I-80. Unfortunately, Chicagoland has the political juice that the rest of the state has to live with.You are correct. So that is the odd thing because I mentioned the lack of reciprocity. As it was explained by District 13, I can't carry with the same governance as I can in Texas but being licensed in Tx gives me certain allowances (the car for example). I can't freely carry in Illinois as if in Tx was how it was explained to me. Bassbob I will also agree with So. Ill being much different than other parts of the state with the agriculture regions of N. Ill being similar to So. Ill but without the accent
CORRECT...Moved out in 1985 and other than family separation haven't regretted it. Born in S Ill graduated High School near Geneseo Ill and lived in Chicago area for 2 years when it actually had visitors coming to the city. Now it is a overtaxed, under supported state that people are leaving rather quickly.
You are correct . However there is a clause that allows anyone who has a carry license from their home state to carry a fully loaded firearm on or about their body while in their vehicle. You don't have to inform unless an officer asks if there are any firearms in the vehicle .
If it were me , I would disarm even to change a flat tire even though district 13 said you could stay armed.
The reason I made the statement about disarming when getting out of the vehicle is because of this , before we got concealed carry in 2014 , we were able to transport our firearms unloaded and in a closed case w/ loaded magazines in the same case as long as they were not in the firearm. Also the gun case could be anywhere in the vehicle , even laying right beside you.
It was amazing how many LEOs did not know about that law. I personally asked at different times one state trooper from dist. 13 and a Jefferson CO. Deputy about transporting like that. The state trooper said it had to be unloaded , in a case with no ammo near it. The Deputy stated that it had to be unloaded , in a case , with no ammo near it AND it had to be out of your reach.
Now for the kicker ..... the information about transporting a firearm in a case with loaded magazines in the same case and being located anywhere in the vehicle was on the ISP ( Illinois state police ) web site at the time. When I told the Jefferson Co. Deputy he was wrong and should go to the ISP web site , he got very mad .
southtex , if I may ask , what part of Southern Illinois were you born in?
About 20 miles down 57 from you
KillerFord1977
SAINT
I like how almost every statement from family on the deceased armed intruder was:
“He was such a great boy, he didn't do anything wrong to nobody”.
Well, why was he armed, in someone elses dwelling and doing harm ???
“He was such a great boy, he didn't do anything wrong to nobody”.
Well, why was he armed, in someone elses dwelling and doing harm ???